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 Post subject: dgtziea Reviews
PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2016 11:16 pm 
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Another review thread!

I'll try to avoid spoilers: if the blurb doesn't mention it and I think that may be for a reason, I'll try not to mention it here. These aren't super-polished or structured, but hopefully they're useful to someone, and constructive. I might bring up specific issues that could seem nit-picky; the amount of words I spend writing about something doesn't mean that mattered a lot to the game, it just means I wanted to write about it. At the end of each I'll highlight aspects or mechanics that I think stand out the most.

Notes on me:
    I'm comfortable with both parser and choice. I'm okay at puzzles.
    I do sometimes get lost in larger parser maps.
    If I'm confused about what I (or my character) am supposed to be doing, I hope it's for a reason, and that reason becomes clear pretty soon.
    I really like when a small neat premise is explored well.
    I like strong characterisation more than elaborate world-building.
    I did better in high school English with literature than poetry, so...

Also, if you missed it, there was a discussion in Marie's Reviews thread (http://www.intfiction.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=20593) about whether also having game-specific threads in this forum was a good idea. I do wonder if having solely reviewer-centric threads here might be discouraging more discussion from people, but I don't want to push it further if no one else thinks so, so you can comment here if you think it's worth discussing and if it is, maybe I'll start a new thread for that instead of cluttering Marie's (sorry!).

Onward!

Zigamus: Zombies at Vigamus
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A light-hearted, short, easy, parser game: you're in a video game museum in Rome that's been invaded by zombies from the (fake I'm assuming?) game "Zombies Attack!". The credits indicates there is a real museum called Vigamus that this game's a tribute to, and all the NPCs are real too, and I imagine that the game museum is trying to replicate the layout of the real one.

Fairly old school feel; the overall game structure is definitely a throwback to 80s text adventures. The zombies really aren't the focus here, they're just obstacles in the way.

Most of the game consists of going through the various rooms, picking up the items relating to different video games, and using them to take out zombies blocking your path to go between NPCs. The NPCs aren't too interesting, and even the video game references aren't used in particularly cool ways. The game's more of a hunt for straightforward ways to dispatch zombies than it is anything in-depth puzzle-y (the museum seems to have a lot of memorabilia that explodes after a while for some reason; seems like a safety hazard!).

The game guides you along most of the way, so you're not likely to get stuck. It was originally written in Italian and then translated into English, and as you might imagine, just writing something trying to be funny is hard, then having a different person translate it into another language? Man. As it is, most of the humor doesn't quite land, but the tone and pacing is brisk. The writing does come off as slightly coming from a different language background, but that did lend a bit of charm to the proceedings (I could imagine a version of this written in more utilitarian English that would be a lot more boring).

Best thing: enthusiasm which came through in the writing


Tentaculon
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A fairly short twine game. You're a squid travelling in a pack along the sea, and as you're swimming along you come across various things that catch your interest: prey, glints of light. Other things happen later: chases, scientists. The writing's very minimalist and spare, at least initially, which works well enough. Later parts open up into more of a traversable map with items to examine and interact with, and obstacles. The writing's fine, but it's in search of something more interesting to describe after awhile.

Lots of use of delayed and timed text. Some interesting effects. It does feel... a bit directionless, though. I didn't get a feel for the plot or character motivation until most of the way through, when the plot comes in hard. Before the map opens up the writing's a bit looser, but then it becomes just a bit too distanced, especially noticeable in the action-y parts.

There are passages later where there are no links and you're forced to use the twine undo arrow, which is awkward (especially when you have to undo a couple passages back). Some of the later links, after it opens up, feel arbitrarily chosen and not contributing much, and it felt like it needed some more playtesting to smooth out some of the timing events, and some of the link choices, and some of the traversal. Basically, it feels like a person trying everything they can think of with Twine, so there's a variety of things going on in different sections, but it also feels unfinished and underdeveloped in a couple parts as well. But the concept and overall structure are there, and both are decent enough to hold it together okay.

Best thing: Experimentation with different twine effects and gameplay structures. Timing-based links to click on are interesting.


Toiletworld
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Waste of time. But you could probably guess that from the title. Whatever point the author's trying to make, you don't have to play it to find out.

Best thing: no


The Queen's Menagerie
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A short game made in Texture, where you're given some words in each passage and you can click and drag them onto other words in the passage to activate them... It makes sense if you try it. Your queen likes collecting exotic beasts from around the world. Your job as zookeeper is to manage them. There's not so much a plot to this, so much as it's just a tour of, well, the Queen's menagerie.

Writing's confident and vibrant. There's a sort of PT Barnum, old school world-of-wonders type of vibe, and there's a conversational personality to the narrative voice describing things to you, even the character you sort-of control: this is third person and not second.

Is there enough "there" there? I dunno; some people might think there's neither enough interactivity nor story, but the writing carries things along well enough. Even with how short it is though, it still felt a bit repetitive; I would've liked to have seen more world building, or more of a twist with the, if I'm remembering correctly, the third feeding room, which is where I got a bit restless. But it's mostly successful, I think, in what it set out to do.

Best thing: Writing, narration, imagery all very inventive


Thaxted Havershill And the Golden Wombat
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Twine game, super short. Basically, you're an adventurer in search of a treasure called the Golden Wombat. I imagined a Nathan Drake from Uncharted type. The writing's good enough, way too many ellipses though, font colors sort of clash.

The first room's "puzzle" is the sort of one that I can imagine could've worked well in a parser game in terms of what your character actually does, but the way its implemented here I just sort of stumbled into it instead of solving it. The rest of the game devolves into a bunch of CYOA-style choices, and you playing Russian roulette with them, with one choice progressing forward and the other two literally dead dead ends which just restart you from the beginning, and that'd be fine (better) if there was a logic through which to decide, but I certainly didn't find any. That's not great; then there's the fight which is just waiting for the computer to play the Russian roulette for you. The author knew that was an especially bad idea, but left it in anyway, and just had an option to turn off the randomness. Which is a solution, but not a good one.

The constantly restarting was a drag, and the mechanics really could've been thought through a bit more; as it is, it seemed like maybe the author really just want to put something out there for the Comp and rushed it, and that's unfortunate. Hopefully they're more familiar with twine now and their next game they can put more consideration and time into it.

Best thing: The title!


I played everything in this post before October 3rd.


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How to Win at Rock Paper Scissors
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Short. Pretty awesome premise of a mechanic for a parser game. Now, it doesn't really iterate on that mechanic too much, but the writing's sharp enough to carry it along.

I will say I was kind of confused for awhile as to what I was actually wanting to do, exactly, but once I figured it out it was a nice shock. It's not too difficult; near the beginning I was getting points through trial-and-error, which you can do with the puzzle mechanic, but other puzzles take one more step. There's no real characters or story here, but that's not what this is about. It's wry and doesn't take itself seriously, and it's implemented well. The ending was kind of abrupt and short; it felt like it could've been more rewarding, but maybe that was the point?

Best thing: The cavaliar underselling tone that the premise is treated with in-world.


The Mouse
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A twine work that veers much more on the story side of things structurally; mostly a click-to-proceed story, with some illustrations, and music. Pretty heavy, about a punk-outcast college kid in a small town, an elderly women they run errands for, and the punk kid's roommate. Reminiscent of My Father's Long, Long Legs structurally (but don't expect horror; actually, maybe think Life is Strange for the feel).

The author really wanted links to be unobtrusive; they're the same color, and they barely stand out, just a different font, and bolded as opposed to italicized like the normal text.

With the focus on storytelling, you'd expect more of an emphasis on prose and pacing and theme, and that's what you get. Because the protagonist is not tremendously forthcoming on details of their college life and issues, and most of the game is spent outside of that setting, I felt it did make it harder to connect with their issues emotionally and specifically, when things start coming to a head. The best written parts are the intro and the ending dialogue, and I also liked the glimpses into the setting. The beginning, speaking of which, seemed to set up a thematic premise which I couldn't neatly connect to the rest. The game provides more choices as you your character has to start making pivotal decisions, which is a really neat effect; it causes you to slow down a bit, and consider your options, and it communicates the situational mindset well, although again, my understanding was more general and not filtered through the specifics of the protagonist's, which may be intentional. The presentation is also nice; some use of images, music, careful use of font (okay, the line-height might've been a bit much?).

(I did also get a "Error: <<setplaylist>>: no track by ID: First Step Inside")

Best thing: The beginning was strong, and the ending parts communicated what it wanted to well in terms of emotional state of protag. Presentation.


Hill Ridge Lost & Found
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A long parser game in TADS. I had to use a walkthrough after a point. It's a sleepy countryside setting, and an encounter reminds you of a local recluse that hasn't been seen in a while, so you decide to investigate and pay a visit to the recluse's farmland.

Narrative voice is strong, and things are described in very good detail. Lots of front-loaded dialogue, in countryside accents. Different colors for each person's dialogue, which I though was an interesting choice. Narrative voice is strong.

The game is very un-directed, meaning I wandered a lot. The map isn't too large, but it makes the farm feel quite large. It works for a while, but later on, after completing the initial goal, I really wasn't sure what I was trying to do, or where I was trying to go. Trying to puzzle out how to do something can be rewarding, but this was puzzling out what to do next instead. Maybe it was suppposed to mimic personal revelations? The "what to do next" issue is tied directly into who the protagonist is and their background and motivations, so I feel like, even if it didn't spell out exactly what to do next, I would've liked to see more of a reactive protagonist, and an exploration of their thoughts a bit more.

The puzzles all seem conceptually solid, but I didn't know what I was working towards all the time during latter parts.

With just a bit more direction, and a bit more from the protag, I think this would be quite good.

Best thing: Narrative voice, descriptions


SCREW YOU, BEAR DAD!
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Light-hearted, really well written twine game, relatively longer for twine. Maybe... Half-hour to an hour-ish? You're a bear -- the coolest of bears. I think that's enough to go on, right? Basically it's structured in scenes, back and forth between different locales and viewpoints; lots of dialogue, and CYOA choices, between actions and what to say at the end of each "page."

Worst thing about it: dialogue that's progressed one sentence at a time. That'd be a good effect in shorter bursts, but there's a lot of dialogue, in fact most of the game maybe, and a lot of snappy back and forth, and thus a lot of clicking. It felt like a hindrance; I started thinking about how loud my mouse's left button was, at one point. I do figure a need for comedic timing might've played into why it's like this, though.

Oddly enough, the story is told in a sort of... second person omniscient? That's not right... You're the bear, but you're also shown the conversations and actions of some facility workers somewhere else, and you're aware of what they're discussing, basically.

What else? So the workers tend to be ELSEWHERE IN THE FACILITY, and that's emblazoned in a heading above each passage, but if a scene spans multiple passages, that heading gets wiped and re-displayed again, and for a bit I was confused because I thought that was an indication we actually were moving to somewhere else in the facility, not that we were in the same setting and scene still. Also I felt like some of the timing stuff made my wait a little too long (but I'm a fast skimmer).

The mid-part dragged a bit with the facility workers and when the focus left Bear, but there's also a ramping up of pacing, as we reach the apexes of the, basically, the end of the second and third acts, that there was a lot of attention paid to, which paid off. I do also think the flashbacks were well written and broadly resonant as written, but thematically I didn't quite see what it had to do with the scenes it was intercutting with, or how really, it illuminated anything in particular about anything else that happened in the story. The bear is likeable, but it's a second person story with all the broad personality strokes that can entail, so introducing an emotional core at the end, was, I dunno... it didn't actually tie up any ends? Most of the time with bear seemed focused on getting him out of the facility, you know, not wondering what his family life was like. But it was surprising path for this to take, and that made it work in the moment.

This was nit-pickier than some of my other reviews, but I think that's because this game's playing with some different effects and story beats that made me think about them more.

Best thing: Comedy that transitions into heart-felt ending; focused pacing


I think I played everything here before the 4th


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Cinnamon Tea
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Twine game, using the default look. Super short, even going down every branch. Writing's not bad, although I do have higher standards for non-puzzle works (or, y'know, the focus should go somewhere). It's basically three highly emotionally charged vignettes, and if there's a throughline, I don't quite see it. The Rolf one is least effective, the burn one the most evocative because it does well in hinting at a world and characters that seems like it'd be worth going down. I would've liked to have seen a piece centering around that scenario. But as it is, there's not enough here for me to really grasp.

Best thing: The burn choice is the best written


You are standing in a cave...
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Heh. Amnesia start. Well, it does seem to be a throwback type of text adventure. At this point, I do feel modern parser games should have ABOUT/HELP/X ME implemented though. Lots of things, really, I felt like should've been implemented weren't, or that were implemented incorrectly; descriptions, item locations, verbs. Found a way to keep raising my score by repeating an action. I got stuck after a point, needing a light source or the way to use a rusty gear, and there's no hints or walkthrough. Too bad, because the design doc for this would've been solid. The descriptions tend to be pretty good, the puzzle premises are fine, the imagery is strong; basically, I think the author just needs more experience and time with Inform, and more playtesting, and then they could crank something really good out. Even this could be pretty decent, if more time is spent on fixing implementation.

Best thing: Thought that went into the puzzles and the game structure


The Shoe Dept.
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Twine game, with a nifty inventory system. You're a teenage employee at a shoe store, working over summer break.

Very much a map-based game; it's a great example of how to translate parser/graphic adventure type inventory puzzles and maps into the Twine format. You get a little symbol at the bottom which you can click to bring up and then try to use your inventory (The text displays for those looked odd though).

The map was a bit hard to navigate at times if I just wanted to get somewhere quickly. I had to slow down to figure out where to go, then. Should games like this with backtracking locations have less exits, or more specific names for locations to refer to them, or is there another solution to this?

There were some links that I wasn't sure what would happen when clicked. Like "You'd explore further but might lose your way." where "might lose your way." is highlighted.

The story is straightforward and coherent but not meaningful (not that it's trying to be). The stakes are in-story high, but emotionally low.

The dialogue sounds normal, which is... it isn't very interesting, but that does work kinda for the work environment. Same with the prose: nothing showy at all.

The pacing was quite good: just long enough for you to get the point, and then cliffhanger, fade to black, part 2 (the game's split into three parts); I think it knows when to offer puzzles/exploration, and when to keep the story going.

The puzzle where you have to construct a sentence out of sentence parts that you click to cycle through was also amusing.

Best thing: Inventory system + map-based twine game


The Skyscraper and the Scar
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Twine, fairly short. Bleak. Very pretty, with a beautiful illustrated background and everything. It's very CYOA (like Ink or Choice of Games style, as in at the end of each passage).

The beginning seems to be intentionally a bit vague, same with the blurb.

The writing leans on stunted sentences a lot I felt, and maybe it could've varied that to better effect at points. The short sentences do feel terse, but they also feel like someone writing down notes for the day. I think short sentences work better if there aren't too many of them, like you shouldn't have paragraphs of them.

The first branch I went down seemed a bit abrupt ending-wise, seemed like it could've set it up better. But it was well told, and the choices made me envision the type of protagonist I was inhabiting, and their circumstances and experiences.

The second playthrough, I was curious to test the limits of the choices a bit, after playing very withdrawn the first time, and I went with the cold-blooded options, and that time a few of the consequences did feel rail-roady. Now, I was going through a completely different branch, so there are definitely some pivotal choices in this. But there was also a choice where it was immediately obvious, even without knowing what'd happen with the other choice, that the game was converging branches immediately (it involved a gun), and the first time picking a choice, I don't think it should be that noticeable. The first playthrough didn't have this issue and felt much more thoughtful, because I was picking more thoughtful options instead of aggressive ones. Going down the second path further, the latter half of the game didn't quite make as much sense with the first-half story as the first playthrough's choices did, though that may be because I didn't have any sort of mental image of the motivations of my character like I did the first time through.

And the setup for the ending sequence seemed a bit more action thriller-ish than seemed appropriate.

Should say, though, the bleakness, and exhaustion, and the deprivation of the setting definitely sets into you, and loneliness isn't the angle I typically see used in the genre (although I've intentionally missed a lot, including the big one, so what do I know?).

There does also seem so to be some sort of choice tracking here, which at the very least effects what choices you get later, and it might be doing other stuff, but on first blush the latter half stays the same.

Well put together.

Best thing: Tone.


I played everything here before the 6th or 7th.


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Ariadne in Aeaea
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Parser game. Felt medium length? "Light-hearted" and "well-written", I'm thinking now, are not good enough differentiators for this competition, but they apply here. Straightforward puzzles; not the point. Semi-historical, you're a young member of the royal family (the unruly one they might say) hoping to be ordained as priestess to the Goddess (I'm fuzzy on a lot of the Greek terms used) despite the sniping of your aunt and sister as you move about your small theocratic island kingdom. It is wordier than some of the other entries I've played so far, but it does a good job earning those words with personality and vaneer.

The dialogue is excellent; you quickly get a handle on each of the characters, their relationships, and their motivations. You're also given a good sense of your own character early on (this is not a faceless/nameless adventurer you're controlling here). This all helps in making the game feel purposeful (which of course not every IF needs to be striving towards necessarily).

Puzzles are honestly pretty simple: Talk to this person, find this item here, show it to this other person, etc.

Maybe some of the descriptions, say with the harbor town NPCs and the boy, are a bit hand-holdy in terms of guiding the player; I think having other characters tell you what they need or having your own character express goals is great, but having descriptions say pretty much what to do next seems like hand-of-the-creator reaching down and pointing something out. I think some of them were one step more explicit than they needed to be. But hopefully that does help other players.

I'll also say I did find the map hard to keep straight, because I have trouble remembering where diagonals go, and this game uses quite a few.

Best thing: dialogue, distinctly drawn characters/personalities.


Rite of Passage
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Twine, nicely presented. This one's immediately more novelistic than many of the other entries, reading sort of like the YA (or younger, whatever tween lit is called) that is presented like a kid's personal diary with dates and everything; things are described specifically from the POV of the protagonist, instead of just objectively, and I could imagine descriptions being said in the protagonist's inner thoughts (again, I sort of imagined Life is Strange). The entries skip a lot; they're not just day by day, but months pass between passages.

Every time you meet someone, you can click on their name, and their name or an entry gets added to notes you're keeping on each of the characters you know, where you can click on the characters to get a brief bio. That's a good effect: really got across how the protagonist was trying to track all of the new people they were meeting, and emphasized the social aspects of those years. Most of the game is just in how you act and react to your classmates, but the game also makes sure that everything doesn't just center around your character, but that your peers form relationships as well. It feels like things are happening with your peers when you're not looking, and you're scrambling to catch up and write everything down.

There seems to be stat tracking based on your choices, that limits what things you can do later. Sort of like Birdland. There actually seems to be a lot going behind the scenes.

There are quotes between "chapters", from people such as George Orwell, which are... odd. They seem out of place?

The story didn't really end up being a story; it wraps, sorta, but if you just picked one branch, there's no real plot to it. Instead, it was engaging following the classmates' arcs, and how you'd effected them.

Did tween stop being a word people used? I haven't heard it in a while.

Best thing: Choices centering around social standings.


Moonland
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Twine. Very surreal. Long, or felt long, because... I feel like a lot of people wanted to play around with delayed text in their pieces in the comp, but man, it's showed up a lot... This one's trying to do it for a more specific effect, at least.

The writing is fractured, too much. Comma splices and fragments are used liberally, and they make it hard to read. I'm not the best judge for overly abstract or poetic writing, but I think this might be a bit too florid, to the point where I was taken out, and then other parts just don't say anything.

Interesting effect with dialogue: it shows what you want to say next as a link, then when you click that it's replaced with their response. It makes immediate intuitive sense and is really easy to follow.

Less successful; sentence that cut off, that are gradually built by clicking on successive links in each revealed fragment. This can work, but when the link is in the middle of the fragment, and then a new passage is shown, that becomes hard to follow, and I lose the sentence thread a bit. Maybe that's an intentional effect.

I think I needed some more distinct and recognisably something passages to keep me moored; as it is, it's hard not to drift. I didn't know why I was clicking on certain links, so I was just picking them randomly. The writing doesn't draw me in, it pushes me away, repeatedly and agonisingly slowly, and I can't find a way back in.

*I played to the short ending, and didn't feel motivated to try the longer one, but based off of GlassRat's review I did. That one lifts the veil off a bit more. My feeling though is that, if you're trying to communicate frustration and bewilderment for a period at the start, I have to have a feeling it's intentional, or else you're at least going to lose me. I don't think the short game is very satisfying, but the longer one does communicate a story. Not worth the hoops, still, but it's trying for something.

Best thing: dialogue effects, sound design.


The Skull Embroidery
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Custom Ruby program? If anyone else is confused, I got it working in Windows by extracting the win32 folder and then going to the command line to run the .bat file. Maybe there's another way.

It's a text-based fantasy combat RPG. Which is great; computer-based RPGs have a long history with text; some modern (well, throwback modern) RPGs are still using text descriptions, even. Now, I personally didn't love too many of those DnD influenced isometric RPGs that I've played, and I definitely actively disliked their combat, but they were well regarded.

It's a menu based fighting system where you just type in letters and numbers to choose ("a" for attack, "st" for status, etc), and this is one of those games where a choice-based system (say, buttons to click) might've made more sense than a parser thing. It works, but it's harder than it could be.

Sometimes awkward words are used in the writing, but for the most part it's fine, if somewhat cliched.

I managed to die to the first enemy! Restart, and died again! Third time was the charm; I think RNG was bad, because I landed three 4-damage attacks in that last try, while I was only landing 1s and 2s on the first two. I died to a second enemy shortly afterwards, so... this one's tough. The damage seems to vary too greatly in terms of both what you take and what you give out (anywhere from 0 to 4, maybe more). Your health starts at 12, and that seems about right for what the first enemy has. So that's a lot of the fight factoring on luck, with too much variance. It's not like there's a lot of strategy that you can employ, at least at the beginning. You can inspect the enemy for weak points, or you can attack... or you wait if you've temporarily run out of Action Points. There's also (d)efend, or (c)onsume... But you have nothing for that first fight.

I know what the author's going for, but having the attack and the response roll on separate lines takes too much space.

The Skull Embroidery seems very much more interested in building the system out, and beyond that it follows fantasy tropes faithfully from what I saw of it. I don't know if maybe the author was treating this like a programming exercise?

Best thing: custom built text RPG.


I played everything here before the 7th.


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Hey thanks for the review of my game The Skull Embroidery! I think you used the older version of the game with the mass download. I don't expect you to try any new version on the ballot (you got a lot of other games to try), but I did update the thing; it includes some minor tweaks to make easier if you are interested beyond...

I rolled the engine myself, and am definitely interested in expanding it to add other sterio-typical rpg features/mechanics, kinda like a single player mud. Your suggestions are great, particularly I like the idea of making more of a link-based interface. Do let me know if you have any other suggestions that come to mind. It's my first text-based game (actually my first 'complete' game), so I got a lot to learn!


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Thanks! I'm glad you enjoyed your stay in the skyscraper, even replaying it! Thanks!


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I hope my review was helpful, Ruber.

Hi Jeron. I was trying to check for updated versions before I started playing everything, but I must have missed that with yours. Sorry!

I also seem to have forgotten to keep noting roughly when I played these.

MUDs are probably a good place to check to see what works and what doesn't with your type of game. I've played like, 10 minutes total, but maybe parser can work then, because those made it work.

I did used to play a java browser RPG called Dragon Court which used the mouse to choose actions, which is now apparently not working anymore. Aw... It looked like this http://www.lloydofgamebooks.com/2016_03_01_archive.html. But it depends on what your focus is: I feel parsers are a more purposeful type of interaction that aren't as good maybe for actions that are repeated a lot.

I'll see if I have time to try your game again before the comp is over. Good luck!


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The Game of Worlds TOURNAMENT!
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Parser, though there's a browser wrapper version that looks nicer. It's a seemingly very well thought-out, turn-based card strategy game. I won't explain the rules too much, but basically, you and your opponent control civilisations sharing a world, the objective is to wipe their's out, and the cards you play can change or apply modifiers to various aspects of the civilisations -- growth rate, army strength, traits, rate of technological advancement, etc. You also get five counters to block your opponent's cards, but they can also counter your counters. A lot of strategy comes through knowing when to play cards, and devising on-the-fly strategies based off of your hand and the board to enact.

There's a couple numerical comparisons that I needed to consult as I went along to see which of us was ahead, some of which are displayed per turn, and some of which you can see if you type x life, and it was hard to compare them at a glance once the numbers got larger. I'm talking lines like "Your population grows by <x>. <Your opponent>'s population grows by <y>." Maybe those numbers could be tabulated so they're easier to read at a glance (dunno if Inform would do that well).

I wonder if there's a way to make countering more strategic? Couple times when we'd just trade counters for a while until I gave up. Spitball suggestion is something like being able to sacrifice two cards to counter instead, but then I'm ridiculously unqualified to even begin to balance such a game, so ignore me.

I really don't have much to compare this to, in terms of how deep it is strategically. I do think that a simple graphical user interface makes more sense for this, or even something just more click-based. It's not hard to navigate this way or anything, but it doesn't seem to gain much from the parser. Still, it seems really well done.

I didn't get too far into it, but Margaret Atwood's Oryx and Crake had a satirical trading card game in a dystopic future where you swapped historical atrocities or... something like that, and I'm pretty sure the reader was supposed to find it horrifying? I don't know if that's at all the purpose with GoWT, but it reminded me of that (review of Oryx and Crake: bad). War, plague, and peace that's only ever temporary in a zero sum world... but playing this isn't that bleak, honest.

The writing is quite good. The card descriptions are clear, and the flavor text is appropriately flavorful.

Best thing: strategic card game, card text.


Not Another Hero
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A Choicescript game. It reads sort of like YA about superheroes, although it isn't just a power fantasy. It's also been thoroughly proofread, and it shows. You don't have powers yourself, but you're part of a government-backed task force created to deal with super-powered people: "abnomalies." The basic concept addresses limits and the distribution of power, the greater good, public perception, etc, and the government vs superpowered folk has been played around with in X-Men, Civil War, and the Iron Man movies, but Not Another Hero can cover different ground because it puts you in the shoes of those hunting the super-people down.

There's a fairly busy flashback at the start that feels like it could've slowed down and put you in the moment a bit more, but I understand if the author wanted to put their focus later in the story.

I've had a bit of an issue with Choice games that maybe frontload "who are you/what would you do" choices too much at the beginning; I like that Not Another Hero establishes a base first without delving into questionnaire territory immediately.

There is an every-person veneer to your character at least initially that I thought was at odds with specifically being recruited out of college to join the force for no seeming reason, but not that important.

It's hard not to think about the recent debates over US police shootings/brutality while playing through this, and that's something that this particular concept can and does delve into more, and differently, than a super-hero centered one could (even though you have to be careful not to go too far with the analogues). But you're still given the choices of how to approach.

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I decided after I noticed the above to choose the most aggressive options just to see how the game would handle those, and although it went with the intent of my actions the first couple chapters, around chapter five the plot took my role-played character to places they probably wouldn't go. I'm not to bent up not being able to play a full-blown prejudiced character, but I do wonder if there'd be a way to put a more nuanced one onto the thread with the Irregulars in a more character-sensible manner. It's not like chapter five forces you to team up with them to stop a greater threat, or they save your life, or anything, so there's no real reason for you to necessarily come around to working with these people so quickly, or, especially, them with you. Especially since you're just a regular person without a suit then, right?


Not Another Hero is a bit more interested in presenting a specifically calibrated thematic trajectory (although it's not a finished arc) than maybe some of the other Choice games I've played (not too many) which actively present more of a "this is your story!". The scenarios are laid out in a reasoned order, and the game has a good pace to it as a result.

I don't know if the superhero nicknames were necessary in this case. They'd make sense in a superhero deconstruction type of thing, but this isn't that. I don't know if the concept of fictional superheroes exists in this in-game universe, but without the mythologising or the vigilante justice/injustice sort of background to justify them, the nicknames just made it hard for me to keep track.

Not the author's fault (I don't think), but I was playing this on mobile from the comp site across several days, and that worked well, but I accidentally tapped the make your own games in choicescript hyperlink, and that sent me to another page (w/o a new window) and wiped my progress.

On a super-quick second playthrough, after finishing my first one, the choices apparently can diverge a lot in certain chapters. This run makes a lot more sense character-wise than the first run.

Best thing: more narrative focused Choicescript game.


To the Wolves
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Twine. Running through the woods, pursued by wolves, it doesn't look good for you...

It's not just running; there's also survival, and dialogue, and mystery, and the mystical.

I've said about other comp twine games that they feel like they're experimenting with different things, and this one's no exception; it always keeps moving forward narratively, but there are certain sections where you have to explore a bit and pick something up to use elsewhere, so there's still map-and-inventory elements here in addition to more narrative propulsive parts with choices of action, and dialogue, and even more Choice of Games type what-do-you-think-about-this/what-type-of-person-are-you type decisions. It was coherent and nothing was out of place, but it didn't really seem like these gameplay switches were made for a specific reason having to do with where the story was.

Prose in paragraphs, with good sentence variance. The vocabulary is simple, but used effectively. Really effectively; the text still feels evocative and exciting even though it seems like it'd be perfectly understandable to maybe, a fifth grader, and I think that's a pretty nice accomplishment. I would drop the semicolon from the first sentence because really, it's pretty early to spring that on the reader, but regardless...

At one point it made me think about how few novels and static fiction use second person, because this piece uses a lot of the style of writing that you'd expect in a book, and there was a point where, I dunno, it was just so odd reading so much prose told to you in the second person, prose that sort of happens at you. I don't think it's the fault of the game. But I didn't feel this way about Not Another Hero for example... Hmm. Is it because it's so action? Maybe there's too much second person description of actions at once?

The dialogue links are a bit inconsistent, in terms of what clicking on an option does (new passage, inline, continue the story...), and there were links I would choose amongst several which proceeded to the next passage, which I didn't intend.

The game takes place on a black background with white text, and there are parts where in a movie, it'd fade to black, which I sort of miss here for the scene transitions. Right now they go from one passage to the next, and it felt too abrupt. The skips also do feel maybe a bit disorientating, and it maybe undermines the danger of the setting a bit, basically implying that nothing interesting happened in between. But I can understand the author's rush to keep going, because some of the individual scenes that do happen are fully formed, surprising, and quite gripping, even if the larger story arc is a bit vague.

Also: both a save system with save slots, and an achievement system, and two endings!

Best thing: Shows how to write prose well without needing to use a vast vocabulary.


Not Another Hero would've been played over the course of days, maybe the 6th or so to the 9th. The other two were played before the 9th.


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Fallen 落葉 Leaves
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So... refer to where I talk about my own tastes in the first post (I don't hate poetry; we just generally don't see eye to eye and I can't even find where its eyes are). This one's all twine poetry. You get to pick an action and a manner, which generates a sonnet with slight variations, it seems like. Then you do that again, and get another one, and again, and so forth.

Picking fast calmly twice in a row at the start immediately gave me an error (here's the html):
<span class="error" title="<<if $loverWill > 0.33 >> sorrowful abandon. <<elseif $loverWill > -0.33 hushed and still. <<else>> gray-niche solace. <<endif>>">Error: <<if>>: bad conditional expression in <<elseif>> clause (#1): Unexpected identifier</span>

And, yeah, third sonnet still has this error. I'll restart.

The grammar is intentionally, it has to be, wrong at places. I think it's using randomness, at points? There are subtle differences, but reading 100 of these, as the intro suggests, seems like a big ask. The changes it's making each turn don't seem particularly impactful, in injecting any sort of overarching meaning or just in terms of how each sonnet itself reads.

Some of the phrasings and individual lines can be nice, if I don't focus on parsing meaning. That was hard to do, though, because the repetitions made me focus more on small word changes and details, and less on broader emotional currents.

And... the second restart also gave me this $loverWill error after 6. You know, I think a really good, really bad idea is if an experimental twine game could intentionally display these errors to the reader for a fourth wall-breaking effect.

Anyways, the errors are going to keep me from wanting to play too much more. I stopped at 10, on the third try. I hope people who're more poetically inclined can give more useful thoughts.

Best thing: Willingness to try something different


The Labyrinth of Lanci
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Game built in Unity, button (and door) choices to click, text descriptions, some graphics, music. I think the title gives you some idea of the genre (fantasy, but not just stock).

The game is basically a series of rooms, seemingly randomized, some with traps, some with treasure, some inhabited, some magicked. It may be a labyrinth, but you don't have to worry about that. You're given two doors to choose from, and you can pick choices of interactions with whatever you find inside, and then if you don't die you get another two rooms. You pick from traits at the beginning, and those traits might give you different options in rooms. Also there are some inventory items, not many.

The sentence rhythms here are comfortable and well laid out. The prose is elevated at the start, but that's the genre I guess. I can quibble over some of the word choices ("..did you seek out the secrets and wisdom...", choice between "perception" and "luck" and not "perceptive" and "luck") but that's probably not what I should be focusing on.

The guitar music sounds like it should be in an indie film (I'll refrain from referring to Life is Strange again, even though I just did) where there's a voice-over and like a female protagonist walking through wet autumn leaves. I dunno, that doesn't seem quite appropriate. The music itself is nice.

I chose the dwarven door, spoke to the NPC there, chose doubt (I was a faerie) and that just immediately sent me to another set of doors? I don't think that was what was supposed to happen?

Then I went into a room that gave me two choices, [strong will] and [eat], and the responses didn't seem any different (I was probably failing a strong will check, but I think that should be made clearer).

Third door, darkness. I understood pretty quickly what was happening and what I should do (and I've liked the premises of the rooms so far, which are inventive), but repeating the verbs here doesn't seem to accurately convey what "grab" actually continued doing. I'd have liked a better description for the action.

Speaking of which: many action buttons seem to want to be one word long. I don't know if there's a good reason for this, but they seem blunt and mismatched with the nice descriptions above, and I wonder if writing more of them out wouldn't be better.

The writing kept me restarting for awhile, but the character-level desire to keep exploring was obscured. I'm not told why I'm there, and that's fine. But the labyrinth doesn't seem too enticing to my character. There aren't enough rewards, or trait changes, or items gained, or anything that would keep me going past the traps. Does the lore help the character, or is it only there for me; are they interested in knowledge? Gems seem inherently like traps in this sort of setting (folly of greed, and what gameplay use would I have for a gem?). Do I want money? There are weapons. Do I have a need to kill, here? My character might, but I don't. If those are questions I have to answer myself for the character, then I would've chosen to leave. If there was a bigger goal I knew of, maybe, I would've felt it made more sense to stay.

The traits feel overly key-like in practice, like inventory items more than defining the character.

I said I wasn't as into world-building in the first post, and that includes not being into heavy lore. Maybe some of it tied into other things in the labyrinth?

I did play through maybe six or seven times, and I got one decent ending. I'd keep messing with it, but I'm getting repeat rooms, and that seems like it'd be against the spirit of things.

Best thing: The rhythm of the writing, the concepts for the rooms.


I played both of these before the 9th.

Riot
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Twine CYOA; other entries have been sort of CYOA, but this one even has prompts. Which did tend to regurgitate the choices, so they didn't seem necessary (they just slowed down reading).

You're part of a police squad of twelve, sent in to quell a riot in the downtown core. I don't think it's ever made clear what they're protesting.

There's some word and sentence structure repetition, and grammatical quirks that distracted. It did use parantheses in dialogue at one point, and I had fun imagining how you could communicate those out loud. The dialogue sounds at time unnatural ("...And who has yet to give me any evidence to the contrary."). That makes sense written, but few people speak like that; maybe that character did, but they also spoke pretty colloquially later on. Sarge also had some unnatural dialogue. I don't consider "shoulder-check" to be a verb unless it's hockey. One major typo I noticed: "You see the construction sight where you just slept."

The POV actually changes for brief scenes, and I thought those were effective in broadening out what we know of the situation at hand. There's a lot of chaos that this story is trying to introduce. The name transitions (the fade in affect) used for the POV switches were quite lovely as well.

I think the beginning was a bit rough, but later parts in Riot were smoother as it kept rolling. There seems to be a focus on characterisation through dialogue, although some lines don't read right because everything uses periods and there aren't any exclamation marks. The amount of dialogue also means these characters don't end up seeming to do much. These characters do have personalities and backgrounds, although we only really get enough time to get to know them, more than we get to see them change or adapt or anything like that.

There are parts here, about innocents, about cameras and recordings, that could've been interesting paths to develop more into themes. The rioters remain a nameless mass of violence and chaos throughout, and your police squad isn't much more fleshed out, but the story focuses on some of the people you encounter throughout the... afternoon? The ending almost feels like it was written and spit-polished first, and then everything was written up to it; it presents an endpoint for everything that seems like it needed a longer story to set up, because we don't spend enough time with the characters and we don't see them face quite enough adversity together to quite sell it, but it's a game attempt.

Best thing: POV switches, and parts where it's just dialogue back-and-forth flows fairly smoothly.


I played this on the 9th.

And I'm caught up! That's everything I've finished so far.


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Theatre People
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Parser game: you're a behind the scenes theatre person trying to get things ready before the big production that night. I don't think its puzzles are tough necessarily, but I did get stuck on them.

The room descriptions are kind of sparse. That did cause me trouble with one of the puzzles, which required interacting with some scenery, because I'd been sort of primed not to focus on those, and I was looking solely at people and objects for the solution. But the actual puzzle solution makes logical sense. The other puzzle also makes sense broadly, but it didn't occur to me to SEARCH something I was already holding in my hands, even though I'd also EXAMINED them.

Mandy, an NPC in the first room, doesn't have a lot to say. (Generally, honestly, I'm probably most likely to try interacting with everything in the first room of every parser game, just so I can get a feel for the level of implementation I expect and figure out from that the type of commands and interactions I might use later. So it you want to fool me at least you can spend more time on everything in the first room or two, and skimp on some of the later ones).

There's a decent cast of characters here, and although they're not too interactive, they do each have some personality, and some opinions on each other as well; that helped convey a sense of realness to everyone. It did feel sort of like everyone was just standing around, waiting for you to bother them about their respective parts in the puzzles though, and that staticness also meant that it didn't really seem like we were a theatre troupe rushing to get everything ready before the big performance. Maybe if these people all just had two or three random busywork things they'd cycle through doing, that'd help sell the atmosphere a bit, and also explain why they don't answer or respond to you all too much outside of their set puzzle piece convo topic. And I'd loved to have seen more interactions with these characters too.

There was a description of a sound coming from a room (Lily's), and so I expected LISTEN to work there. I also had trouble figuring out when to use ASK <x> ABOUT <y> versus GIVE <y> TO <x>; a puzzle sort of used one for one object and one for another.

Anyhow, this does convey a sense that these people and the setting is based off of real experiences. The puzzles make sense, but I was thrown off by some assumptions I'd made (I don't know how much trouble other people had).

Best thing: NPCs have things to say about each other. Map is logical and setting feels based on a real place.


Take Over the World - or at least Cleveland
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Twine! Quite non-serious little romp, which looking at the news, is sorely needed. Oddly enough, that's also the starting premise for the game: you take a look at the news and are so disgusted by it that you decide to take over the world, which, sure, And so you gather all you need: a lair, minions, a drink in hand, the whole lot!

The intro is short and to the point, great! The inventory mechanic was introduced right afterwards though, and that took me out of the story just as it was getting started, so I'd have liked to have seen all the rest of that stuff moved to a second page; instead we get a bunch of line breaks.

There are some charmingly low-fi colored illustrations used. Make sure to check Your Stuff (which is your inventory) intermittently too, there's good Stuff there!

A couple typos. I finished the game no problem the first time through, but encountered some bugs later on.

I think the author hadn't figured out some of the more advanced aspects of Twine like, for example, how to have the link text display something other than the passage name, so there are parts where you might click on something and then get "Return to <hyperlink>Start Your Global Domination</hyperlink>" instead of just "<hyperlink>Back</hyperlink>", which was a bit clunky (or maybe there was a reason for it). It is doing some sort of, at the very least, inventory/stat checking. Also parts where, say, I could choose coffee or tea, where other authors might have used... cyclinglink? (I'm not too familiar with Twine Sugarcube) Although I do sometimes find those cyclinglinks to be overused, and the way it's implemented here is actually clearer (You click on coffee, get a short description, and you get a link to change to tea and a link to go back without changing anything).

The game actually seems to provide quite a lot of choices. That's sort of the game: you deciding on your lair, who to hire, how to deal with local authorities, and your earlier choices do affect some of your later ones too. I imagine this twine would have a pretty gigantic node map even with its short playtime, because it feels like it keeps branching out up to the end and presenting new ideas, and that's actually a feeling few other twines in this comp do; this sort of felt like it kept expanding along with the author's imagination, which fits well.

The writing's loose, maybe a bit uneven/first drafty at spots due the aforementioned huge node map, but as it is, I found it a really charming to play through, with some fun cartoon villainy you get to preside over.

Best thing: irreverent and charming style.


This is My Memory of First Heartbreak, Which I Can't Quite Piece Back Together
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A "graphic memoir." Short scenes, of memories of different conversations and moments between a couple in a relationship. At the end of each scene it freezes, and you get various objects or sounds or memories from the still, and then it switches to a different scene that contains that object that you clicked on. And through this, you get a sense of their relationship, and their personalities. After four scenes, the breakup.

Many of the scenes are from very, very small moments: these are not the big revelations, the dips and the peaks; these are blips. The scenes don't necessarily follow a set order, and you can reach a scene through different objects in other scenes.

Graphics and sound, both fine. Graphics are mostly silhouettes on a background, sometimes with different poses. Background noises are piped in, and it helps with the story its telling. This would have a vastly different feel without the graphics (although... A hypertext only version of this would be an interesting contrast. Hmm.)

The dialogue is having to convey tone solely through what's being said, and that's really difficult -- there were some parts where they didn't read the way I think they were supposed to. But there were also other conversations which felt real.

I'm thinking this was meant to be played "through" more than once, because it cycles back to the beginning after the end, but I found it kind of monotonous to do so; the scenes are skippable after you've watched them once, but the intro part isn't, and the text bubbles also come up one at a time. and. text. scrolling. speed. is. slow. as. well. I was itching for a way to speed it up, or ideally have clicking speed things up a bit. There's pacing involved in these scenes, sure, but it still dragged on repeats. But I also think this doesn't work if I only saw four scenes and stopped; I felt like I needed more fragments of memories than that, although at some point I felt more obligated to try to build a bigger picture than compelled.

The objects don't always feel like pivotal parts that a person would necessarily have noticed at the time, and the scenes they link to don't always feature them prominently (there were times where I'd forget what I'd clicked on to reach a scene). The whole interface just felt like a bit of an impediment, and I could understand what it was trying to communicate on a sort of high level (on the nature of memory, etc), but I couldn't y'know, feel it; it didn't convey anything more narratively playing it then it would just described to me like in the first paragraph above.

I said earlier that some conversations feel "real," and I think that's what it's going for throughout. But storytelling, of all sorts, it doesn't often just go for real; it goes bigger than that. And this, this is pretty much as majorly condensed as you can get, and the moments are so small that I had to really reflect afterwards to see what the scenes were trying to show about these characters. It felt muted. It felt mundane. But yeah, it did also feel real. And maybe that's the point, that it's hard or incomplete, but in the end, I just couldn't make the connection.

Best thing: graphic style, concept


Played before the 16th.


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