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 Post subject: TADS 3.1.4 Release?
PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:33 pm 
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Hello all,

Mantis shows 13 bug fixes in the years since 3.1.3 was released, two of them compiler crashes -- is there a chance of getting 3.1.4 builds released soon, or even just a source release to build manually?

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:28 am 
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No one in this forum knows the answer. You'd have to ask Mike Roberts.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 2:32 am 
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Thank you - I'll try to dig up his contact information and see if he'll comment.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 8:13 pm 
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Mike hasn't abandoned TADS, has he?


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 8:23 pm 
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I talked to Eric Eve, who hasn't heard from Mike for a good while either.
I've tried emailing him at the various addresses he may have used, but to no avail.

Hopefully he's just on a sabbatical from the IF scene.

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Interesting. Since TADS is not open source, what are we to do if Mike dies or stops updating it? (Inform 6 has David Griffith. Are there any other folks who are as familiar with the T3 code as David is with I6?)


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 7:37 pm 
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The TADS 3.1.3 source has been released -- for instance, see realnc's github frobtads project:

https://github.com/realnc/frobtads

but what ongoing development there was since then, is not available.

The Inform 6 compiler is about 30K lines of ANSI C, and has Graham Nelson's Technical Manual to explain its structure. A few people are quite adept at navigating and changing the source, Andrew Plotkin perhaps foremost. TADS 3 is something like 245K lines of C++, and I'm not aware of anyone other than Mike Roberts who has made significant changes to it.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:26 pm 
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blindHunter wrote:
Mike hasn't abandoned TADS, has he?


All available evidence would strongly suggest, but not prove, that this is the case. I also tried to contact him awhile back about some questions regarding whether adv3lite was going to be incorporated as a replacement or alternative library in the Workbench.

I think the parser based systems are in a bit of decline. Kent Tessman does nothing with Hugo; Mike Roberts does nothing with TADS; Graham Nelson may be doing lots of stuff with Inform, but we have no idea. More active (visible) development and innovation seems to be happening with the choice-based systems.


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Quite sad, really. I love parser IF and I would hate to see it die. I'm still impressed that Inform 7 is still utilizing technologies (the i6 compiler and glulx) that have existed since the mid to late 1990's, not to mention the Z-Machine which has existed since 1979.


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TADS isn't dead. I don't know when a new release will happen, but Mike Roberts still applies source code patches I send in. Development is very slow though. But not dead.

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