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 Post subject: Ye Olde Worlde SUDS
PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 3:11 pm 
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Hi all, it's been a while, as in years, since I was last on, got distracted away from IF. At that time I was investigating using SUDS. I'd barely started when life threw a spanner in the works. Anyhow, I was short of something to do so I re-installed the beast. Naturally I had to restart from scratch, go through tutorials etc, sigh. I had some questions, went to the web site and found it has vanished, darnation!

So if anybody has a long memory......

    (1) Does that mean it is officially dead, or is there a new site?
    (2) Does anybody still have SUDS games to download?
    (3) Is there a later version than 1.0 and is it available anywhere?
    (4 )Was there ever a reference manual, as the help files don't really fulfil that function?
    (5 )Back in the day, 7 years ago, someone said that SUDS was the only point and click generator, is that still true?

Thanks in advance for any replies,
Derek


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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2017 10:11 am 
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Heres another SUDS thread, from 2010: http://www.intfiction.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=1104

If you're looking for point-and-click there are several modern systems that do it and are pretty well-supported.

Twine is the most popular. https://twinery.org/

I'm fond of AXMA Story Maker and prefer it to Twine, though I've had to surf some Russian forums with Google Translate. http://sm.axmasoft.com/

Quest has a CYOA system and a parser with clickable elements http://textadventures.co.uk/quest


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 Post subject: Re: Ye Olde Worlde SUDS
PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2017 10:54 am 
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Thanks for those. I shall certainly investigate.

BTW, the 2010 thread was me! :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Ye Olde Worlde SUDS
PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2017 6:22 pm 
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RacingDog wrote:
... SUDS ... Is there a later version than 1.0 and is it available anywhere?

There seems to be a Version 3 available from one of archive.org's backups of the site.

EDIT: adding URL:


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 Post subject: Re: Ye Olde Worlde SUDS
PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2017 6:54 pm 
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Well that is interesting thank you, but I am too much on the fringes of IF to know what you mean by that, so could I possibly trouble you for a little more detail please?


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 Post subject: Re: Ye Olde Worlde SUDS
PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2017 7:53 am 
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Thanks for the PM. I got that downloaded. Still amazed that in years of being on the internet I've never before needed to know that that archive site even existed!

A word of warning to anyone else attempting to install SUDS 3.0, the installer still says it is installing 1.0. IGNORE that, the actual software is definitely 3.0!


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 Post subject: Re: Ye Olde Worlde SUDS
PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2017 6:19 am 
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So, I had a dabble around the other systems. Wow, amazing what you can do nowadays, but all far too much for an occasional dabbler such as myself!

Hence I figured I'd go back to SUDS, it definitely suits me. First job? Well the obvious thing was to see if I'd learnt the lessons by converting the tutorial game into a proper game, for example, no more walking around underwater forever without it ending badly, and so on.

When I had completed that to my satisfaction I thought, "I ought to try the generate a distributable option", not that I wanted to distribute my efforts, just to see how the process worked. The first worry was the icon to that was greyed out, and the equivalent menu option was not! Well I had to try the menu option didn't I? It seemed to do things, status bar going to 100%, being told where the output file was. Good good. Except that there was no file anywhere!!!

Anybody got any further input on this? Perhaps I'll have to give up on SUDS after all, damn.


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 Post subject: Re: Ye Olde Worlde SUDS
PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2017 7:27 am 
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The menu option "Make distribution" seems to work for me. (The corresponding menu button isn't greyed out, but I didn't try it.)

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 Post subject: Re: Ye Olde Worlde SUDS
PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2017 8:06 am 
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I see. Thanks.

Well, starting with a fresh load of the Creator and the .SUD file caused the icon to be no longer greyed out, ye hah.

So I tried again. There is a file created. BUT it has a file extension xml, actually "PData\suds.xml" in full. AND if there is one thing this file isn't, it is not an xml file. Hence, I didn't see it as being the deliverable file the first time I tried this. It is binary not text as one would expect for an xml file and the first 16 bytes are ABSOLUTEDATABASE. I have no idea what, if anything, I should do with this.

I was expecting "First Tutorial.exe", somewhere, anywhere!


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 Post subject: Re: Ye Olde Worlde SUDS
PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2017 8:49 am 
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Here are the files that seem to be created for me:

Code:
initial.sop
Master Files\
PData\suds.xml
prefs.dat
Saved Games\
SUDS_P.exe
SUDSPlayerHelp.chm

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